[DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

classic Classic list List threaded Threaded
19 messages Options
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

[DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Eason Chen
Good time of the time to all!


I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion, comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its acceptance into Incubator.


People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in China)as the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the graduation.


I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open source project.


The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.


The project's proposal is available at [1].


Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!


 With best regards,

 Eason Chen



[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Kevin Ratnasekera
Hi Easen,

+1, Having worked in a similar domain so far, I have to say this is an
interesting project. If you are seeking new mentors, please consider adding
me as a mentor to the project.

Regards
Kevin

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:34 PM Eason Chen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Good time of the time to all!
>
>
> I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
> comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
> acceptance into Incubator.
>
>
> People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind
> the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in China)as
> the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the graduation.
>
>
> I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
> in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
> however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
> doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
> tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open
> source project.
>
>
> The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see
> it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem
> and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
>
>
> The project's proposal is available at [1].
>
>
> Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
>
>
> &nbsp;With best regards,
>
> &nbsp;Eason Chen
>
>
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

fpapon
Hi,

+1, I'm also interesting by this project and I would be happy to help as
mentor if needed.

regards,

François
[hidden email]

Le 04/08/2020 à 19:33, Kevin Ratnasekera a écrit :

> Hi Easen,
>
> +1, Having worked in a similar domain so far, I have to say this is an
> interesting project. If you are seeking new mentors, please consider adding
> me as a mentor to the project.
>
> Regards
> Kevin
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:34 PM Eason Chen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Good time of the time to all!
>>
>>
>> I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
>> comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
>> acceptance into Incubator.
>>
>>
>> People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind
>> the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in China)as
>> the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the graduation.
>>
>>
>> I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
>> in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
>> however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
>> doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
>> tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open
>> source project.
>>
>>
>> The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see
>> it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem
>> and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
>>
>>
>> The project's proposal is available at [1].
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
>>
>>
>> &nbsp;With best regards,
>>
>> &nbsp;Eason Chen
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal

---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Michael André Pearce-2
In reply to this post by Kevin Ratnasekera
Hi

Im PMC member from ActiveMQ project.
I like the idea, nice. +1 on it as a project idea.

I am though a little -1 on the name of the project, I would recommend that an alternative name for the project is found as there maybe a conflict in rights ability to copyright and trademark to it.

I’m aware there is a commercial vendor messaging company called Solace, where they use and market their product with heavy use of the name Event Mesh, you can see this just googling event mesh, brings back many hits to their products, marketing material and other records, so they may hold a heavy claim to this name.

Best
Michael

> On 4 Aug 2020, at 18:33, Kevin Ratnasekera <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Easen,
>
> +1, Having worked in a similar domain so far, I have to say this is an
> interesting project. If you are seeking new mentors, please consider adding
> me as a mentor to the project.
>
> Regards
> Kevin
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:34 PM Eason Chen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Good time of the time to all!
>>
>>
>> I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
>> comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
>> acceptance into Incubator.
>>
>>
>> People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind
>> the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in China)as
>> the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the graduation.
>>
>>
>> I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
>> in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
>> however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
>> doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
>> tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open
>> source project.
>>
>>
>> The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see
>> it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem
>> and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
>>
>>
>> The project's proposal is available at [1].
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
>>
>>
>> &nbsp;With best regards,
>>
>> &nbsp;Eason Chen
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal


---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Ming Wen-2
In reply to this post by Eason Chen
Hi, Eason,
It's an interesting project. And I have a few questions and
it would be great if you could help:
1. According to github's statistics[1], most of the code was contributed by
yourself.
So if you're on vacation, this project will not easy to move forward.
2. An external dependency `logback` is LGPL license, which is Category X.
Can this dependency be removed?

[1] https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors

Thanks,
Ming Wen, Apache APISIX & Apache SkyWalking
Twitter: _WenMing


Eason Chen <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月4日周二 下午6:04写道:

> Good time of the time to all!
>
>
> I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
> comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
> acceptance into Incubator.
>
>
> People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind
> the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in China)as
> the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the graduation.
>
>
> I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
> in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
> however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
> doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
> tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open
> source project.
>
>
> The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see
> it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem
> and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
>
>
> The project's proposal is available at [1].
>
>
> Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
>
>
> &nbsp;With best regards,
>
> &nbsp;Eason Chen
>
>
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Sheng Wu-2
Hi

Noticed this a little late.

I have some questions about the status of the project, especially about the
`Orphaned Products` and the activity of the community.

With a project open-sourced since September 2019, this doesn't seem like
the status you said in the proposal.
1. If the EventMesh repo is the only code repo, AFAIK, there is only one
contributor who has submitted the codes over 110 lines, most are just < 50
lines. https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
2. Only have 35 issues opened on the GitHub.
https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/issues
3. The issues(since issue #21) since 21 days ago have no comment any all.

From my understanding, this project is only limited maintained by one and
only one for now.

To the project community, could you respond what is the real status now?
And why there is a gap between your proposal and GitHub open statistics?

Personally, I have concerns about the activity and support of the
community, or a little more, whether the basic community has been
established.
I think the incubator should notice the status, in case, it will be hard to
make consensus and release soon in the incubating stage.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


Ming Wen <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月6日周四 下午5:24写道:

> Hi, Eason,
> It's an interesting project. And I have a few questions and
> it would be great if you could help:
> 1. According to github's statistics[1], most of the code was contributed by
> yourself.
> So if you're on vacation, this project will not easy to move forward.
> 2. An external dependency `logback` is LGPL license, which is Category X.
> Can this dependency be removed?
>
> [1] https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
>
> Thanks,
> Ming Wen, Apache APISIX & Apache SkyWalking
> Twitter: _WenMing
>
>
> Eason Chen <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月4日周二 下午6:04写道:
>
> > Good time of the time to all!
> >
> >
> > I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
> > comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
> > acceptance into Incubator.
> >
> >
> > People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind
> > the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in
> China)as
> > the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the graduation.
> >
> >
> > I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
> > in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
> > however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
> > doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
> > tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open
> > source project.
> >
> >
> > The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see
> > it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem
> > and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
> >
> >
> > The project's proposal is available at [1].
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> >
> >
> > &nbsp;With best regards,
> >
> > &nbsp;Eason Chen
> >
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

回复: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Eason Chen
In reply to this post by Ming Wen-2
Hi, wenming
1. I believe more people will join in the future ;)
2. Sure




------------------&nbsp;原始邮件&nbsp;------------------
发件人:                                                                                                                        "general"                                                                                    <[hidden email]&gt;;
发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月6日(星期四) 下午5:23
收件人:&nbsp;"general"<[hidden email]&gt;;

主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal



Hi, Eason,
It's an interesting project. And I have a few questions and
it would be great if you could help:
1. According to github's statistics[1], most of the code was contributed by
yourself.
So if you're on vacation, this project will not easy to move forward.
2. An external dependency `logback` is LGPL license, which is Category X.
Can this dependency be removed?

[1] https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors

Thanks,
Ming Wen, Apache APISIX &amp; Apache SkyWalking
Twitter: _WenMing


Eason Chen <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月4日周二 下午6:04写道:

&gt; Good time of the time to all!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
&gt; comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
&gt; acceptance into Incubator.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind
&gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in China)as
&gt; the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the graduation.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
&gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
&gt; however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
&gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
&gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open
&gt; source project.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see
&gt; it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem
&gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The project's proposal is available at [1].
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;With best regards,
&gt;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; [1]
&gt; https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Ming Wen-2
There are now 10 contributors of this project, but seven of them started
the first commit in July.
That's a little strange.

Thanks,
Ming Wen, Apache APISIX & Apache SkyWalking
Twitter: _WenMing


Eason Chen <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月6日周四 下午5:44写道:

> Hi, wenming
> 1. I believe more people will join in the future ;)
> 2. Sure
>
>
>
>
> ------------------&nbsp;原始邮件&nbsp;------------------
> 发件人:
>                                                   "general"
>                                                                     <
> [hidden email]&gt;;
> 发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月6日(星期四) 下午5:23
> 收件人:&nbsp;"general"<[hidden email]&gt;;
>
> 主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi, Eason,
> It's an interesting project. And I have a few questions and
> it would be great if you could help:
> 1. According to github's statistics[1], most of the code was contributed by
> yourself.
> So if you're on vacation, this project will not easy to move forward.
> 2. An external dependency `logback` is LGPL license, which is Category X.
> Can this dependency be removed?
>
> [1] https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
>
> Thanks,
> Ming Wen, Apache APISIX &amp; Apache SkyWalking
> Twitter: _WenMing
>
>
> Eason Chen <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月4日周二 下午6:04写道:
>
> &gt; Good time of the time to all!
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
> &gt; comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
> &gt; acceptance into Incubator.
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were
> behind
> &gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in
> China)as
> &gt; the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the
> graduation.
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
> started
> &gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the
> community
> &gt; however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways
> of
> &gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
> &gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly
> open
> &gt; source project.
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will
> see
> &gt; it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache
> ecosystem
> &gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; The project's proposal is available at [1].
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; &amp;nbsp;With best regards,
> &gt;
> &gt; &amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; [1]
> &gt;
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

回复: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Eason Chen
In reply to this post by Sheng Wu-2
Hi,


We do not deny that the community is not really big and active, we share our best practices and look forward to getting more people's attention and help, at the same time can help our colleagues&nbsp;.we believe that as long as we find the right method and organization such as the apache way, the community will become stronger and stronger.&nbsp;


In addition, I want to clarify that these codes are submitted by the entire team within our company, but I open sourced them, as you see some components are not yet open source, we are reviewing and reforming internally, and will open source soon.




------------------&nbsp;原始邮件&nbsp;------------------
发件人:                                                                                                                        "general"                                                                                    <[hidden email]&gt;;
发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月6日(星期四) 下午5:42
收件人:&nbsp;"Incubator"<[hidden email]&gt;;

主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal



Hi

Noticed this a little late.

I have some questions about the status of the project, especially about the
`Orphaned Products` and the activity of the community.

With a project open-sourced since September 2019, this doesn't seem like
the status you said in the proposal.
1. If the EventMesh repo is the only code repo, AFAIK, there is only one
contributor who has submitted the codes over 110 lines, most are just < 50
lines. https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
2. Only have 35 issues opened on the GitHub.
https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/issues
3. The issues(since issue #21) since 21 days ago have no comment any all.

From my understanding, this project is only limited maintained by one and
only one for now.

To the project community, could you respond what is the real status now?
And why there is a gap between your proposal and GitHub open statistics?

Personally, I have concerns about the activity and support of the
community, or a little more, whether the basic community has been
established.
I think the incubator should notice the status, in case, it will be hard to
make consensus and release soon in the incubating stage.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


Ming Wen <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月6日周四 下午5:24写道:

&gt; Hi, Eason,
&gt; It's an interesting project. And I have a few questions and
&gt; it would be great if you could help:
&gt; 1. According to github's statistics[1], most of the code was contributed by
&gt; yourself.
&gt; So if you're on vacation, this project will not easy to move forward.
&gt; 2. An external dependency `logback` is LGPL license, which is Category X.
&gt; Can this dependency be removed?
&gt;
&gt; [1] https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
&gt;
&gt; Thanks,
&gt; Ming Wen, Apache APISIX &amp; Apache SkyWalking
&gt; Twitter: _WenMing
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Eason Chen <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月4日周二 下午6:04写道:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Good time of the time to all!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
&gt; &gt; comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
&gt; &gt; acceptance into Incubator.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind
&gt; &gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in
&gt; China)as
&gt; &gt; the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the graduation.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
&gt; &gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
&gt; &gt; however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
&gt; &gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
&gt; &gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open
&gt; &gt; source project.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see
&gt; &gt; it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem
&gt; &gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The project's proposal is available at [1].
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &amp;nbsp;With best regards,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; [1]
&gt; &gt; https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
&gt;
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Sheng Wu-2
Eason Chen <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月6日周四 下午6:17写道:

> Hi,
>
>
> We do not deny that the community is not really big and active, we share
> our best practices and look forward to getting more people's attention and
> help, at the same time can help our colleagues&nbsp;.we believe that as
> long as we find the right method and organization such as the apache way,
> the community will become stronger and stronger.&nbsp;
>

Hi

Thanks for the honesty, I prefer you should adjust the proposal to match
the reality. Such as
1. Just open-sourced
2. Have a risk of being an orphaned project
3. Community development would be a challenge

I hope you could understand, a project open-sourced from the company, and
not widely adopted, these are just the fact, don't need to hide them.
The incubator is welcome this kind of project, once you have enough active
mentors and initial committers.

---------
Personally only, not from an IPMC member perspective
---------
The concerns I raised, are from the perspective of protecting the project,
a very young community will face heavy loads of joining the ASF incubator
directly.
And from my personal experiences, people(especially in China) will
challenge the qualification of the project. I have seen this happened
before.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


>
>
> In addition, I want to clarify that these codes are submitted by the
> entire team within our company, but I open sourced them, as you see some
> components are not yet open source, we are reviewing and reforming
> internally, and will open source soon.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------&nbsp;原始邮件&nbsp;------------------
> 发件人:
>                                                   "general"
>                                                                     <
> [hidden email]&gt;;
> 发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月6日(星期四) 下午5:42
> 收件人:&nbsp;"Incubator"<[hidden email]&gt;;
>
> 主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Noticed this a little late.
>
> I have some questions about the status of the project, especially about the
> `Orphaned Products` and the activity of the community.
>
> With a project open-sourced since September 2019, this doesn't seem like
> the status you said in the proposal.
> 1. If the EventMesh repo is the only code repo, AFAIK, there is only one
> contributor who has submitted the codes over 110 lines, most are just < 50
> lines. https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
> 2. Only have 35 issues opened on the GitHub.
> https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/issues
> 3. The issues(since issue #21) since 21 days ago have no comment any all.
>
> From my understanding, this project is only limited maintained by one and
> only one for now.
>
> To the project community, could you respond what is the real status now?
> And why there is a gap between your proposal and GitHub open statistics?
>
> Personally, I have concerns about the activity and support of the
> community, or a little more, whether the basic community has been
> established.
> I think the incubator should notice the status, in case, it will be hard to
> make consensus and release soon in the incubating stage.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Ming Wen <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月6日周四 下午5:24写道:
>
> &gt; Hi, Eason,
> &gt; It's an interesting project. And I have a few questions and
> &gt; it would be great if you could help:
> &gt; 1. According to github's statistics[1], most of the code was
> contributed by
> &gt; yourself.
> &gt; So if you're on vacation, this project will not easy to move forward.
> &gt; 2. An external dependency `logback` is LGPL license, which is
> Category X.
> &gt; Can this dependency be removed?
> &gt;
> &gt; [1] https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
> &gt <https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors&gt>;
> &gt; Thanks,
> &gt; Ming Wen, Apache APISIX &amp; Apache SkyWalking
> &gt; Twitter: _WenMing
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; Eason Chen <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月4日周二 下午6:04写道:
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; Good time of the time to all!
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the
> discussion,
> &gt; &gt; comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE]
> of its
> &gt; &gt; acceptance into Incubator.
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them
> were behind
> &gt; &gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially
> in
> &gt; China)as
> &gt; &gt; the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the
> graduation.
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
> started
> &gt; &gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the
> community
> &gt; &gt; however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache
> ways of
> &gt; &gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
> &gt; &gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a
> truly open
> &gt; &gt; source project.
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you
> will see
> &gt; &gt; it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache
> ecosystem
> &gt; &gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the
> community.
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; The project's proposal is available at [1].
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &amp;nbsp;With best regards,
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; [1]
> &gt; &gt;
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
> &gt
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal&gt>
> ;
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

heng du
In reply to this post by Michael André Pearce-2
Hi @Michael

Thanks for your advice. As far as I know, Solace doesn't have a product
called Eventmesh, They're just using that name to promote their PubSub
platform.

But in order not to cause trouble in the future, I also ask guys of Apache
Brand to help check whether this name is appropriate. For us, we've been
using the name EventMesh for a long time, and we want to keep it so that
users can get better product positioning from the name.

And base on this document[1], we searched in the U.S. Patent Office[2] and
found nothing inappropriate.

[1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
[2] https://www.uspto.gov/trademark

Thanks
Henry

Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月6日周四
下午3:33写道:

> Hi
>
> Im PMC member from ActiveMQ project.
> I like the idea, nice. +1 on it as a project idea.
>
> I am though a little -1 on the name of the project, I would recommend that
> an alternative name for the project is found as there maybe a conflict in
> rights ability to copyright and trademark to it.
>
> I’m aware there is a commercial vendor messaging company called Solace,
> where they use and market their product with heavy use of the name Event
> Mesh, you can see this just googling event mesh, brings back many hits to
> their products, marketing material and other records, so they may hold a
> heavy claim to this name.
>
> Best
> Michael
>
> > On 4 Aug 2020, at 18:33, Kevin Ratnasekera <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Easen,
> >
> > +1, Having worked in a similar domain so far, I have to say this is an
> > interesting project. If you are seeking new mentors, please consider
> adding
> > me as a mentor to the project.
> >
> > Regards
> > Kevin
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:34 PM Eason Chen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Good time of the time to all!
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
> >> comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
> >> acceptance into Incubator.
> >>
> >>
> >> People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were
> behind
> >> the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in
> China)as
> >> the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the graduation.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
> >> in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
> >> however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
> >> doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
> >> tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open
> >> source project.
> >>
> >>
> >> The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will
> see
> >> it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem
> >> and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
> >>
> >>
> >> The project's proposal is available at [1].
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> >>
> >>
> >> &nbsp;With best regards,
> >>
> >> &nbsp;Eason Chen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
>
>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Clebert Suconic
In reply to this post by Sheng Wu-2
If you make it generic enough that runs on other messaging solutions
(Kafka, Artemis, ActiveMQ, RocketMQ), you have less risk of being
orphaned.

however if it's tight coupled with RocketMQ mentioned.. it becomes
more like a sub project of your broker than a separate project.

What are the plans?

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:58 AM Sheng Wu <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Eason Chen <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月6日周四 下午6:17写道:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > We do not deny that the community is not really big and active, we share
> > our best practices and look forward to getting more people's attention and
> > help, at the same time can help our colleagues&nbsp;.we believe that as
> > long as we find the right method and organization such as the apache way,
> > the community will become stronger and stronger.&nbsp;
> >
>
> Hi
>
> Thanks for the honesty, I prefer you should adjust the proposal to match
> the reality. Such as
> 1. Just open-sourced
> 2. Have a risk of being an orphaned project
> 3. Community development would be a challenge
>
> I hope you could understand, a project open-sourced from the company, and
> not widely adopted, these are just the fact, don't need to hide them.
> The incubator is welcome this kind of project, once you have enough active
> mentors and initial committers.
>
> ---------
> Personally only, not from an IPMC member perspective
> ---------
> The concerns I raised, are from the perspective of protecting the project,
> a very young community will face heavy loads of joining the ASF incubator
> directly.
> And from my personal experiences, people(especially in China) will
> challenge the qualification of the project. I have seen this happened
> before.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> >
> >
> > In addition, I want to clarify that these codes are submitted by the
> > entire team within our company, but I open sourced them, as you see some
> > components are not yet open source, we are reviewing and reforming
> > internally, and will open source soon.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------&nbsp;原始邮件&nbsp;------------------
> > 发件人:
> >                                                   "general"
> >                                                                     <
> > [hidden email]&gt;;
> > 发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月6日(星期四) 下午5:42
> > 收件人:&nbsp;"Incubator"<[hidden email]&gt;;
> >
> > 主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Noticed this a little late.
> >
> > I have some questions about the status of the project, especially about the
> > `Orphaned Products` and the activity of the community.
> >
> > With a project open-sourced since September 2019, this doesn't seem like
> > the status you said in the proposal.
> > 1. If the EventMesh repo is the only code repo, AFAIK, there is only one
> > contributor who has submitted the codes over 110 lines, most are just < 50
> > lines. https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
> > 2. Only have 35 issues opened on the GitHub.
> > https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/issues
> > 3. The issues(since issue #21) since 21 days ago have no comment any all.
> >
> > From my understanding, this project is only limited maintained by one and
> > only one for now.
> >
> > To the project community, could you respond what is the real status now?
> > And why there is a gap between your proposal and GitHub open statistics?
> >
> > Personally, I have concerns about the activity and support of the
> > community, or a little more, whether the basic community has been
> > established.
> > I think the incubator should notice the status, in case, it will be hard to
> > make consensus and release soon in the incubating stage.
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > Ming Wen <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月6日周四 下午5:24写道:
> >
> > &gt; Hi, Eason,
> > &gt; It's an interesting project. And I have a few questions and
> > &gt; it would be great if you could help:
> > &gt; 1. According to github's statistics[1], most of the code was
> > contributed by
> > &gt; yourself.
> > &gt; So if you're on vacation, this project will not easy to move forward.
> > &gt; 2. An external dependency `logback` is LGPL license, which is
> > Category X.
> > &gt; Can this dependency be removed?
> > &gt;
> > &gt; [1] https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
> > &gt <https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors&gt>;
> > &gt; Thanks,
> > &gt; Ming Wen, Apache APISIX &amp; Apache SkyWalking
> > &gt; Twitter: _WenMing
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt; Eason Chen <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月4日周二 下午6:04写道:
> > &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; Good time of the time to all!
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the
> > discussion,
> > &gt; &gt; comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE]
> > of its
> > &gt; &gt; acceptance into Incubator.
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them
> > were behind
> > &gt; &gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially
> > in
> > &gt; China)as
> > &gt; &gt; the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the
> > graduation.
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
> > started
> > &gt; &gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the
> > community
> > &gt; &gt; however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache
> > ways of
> > &gt; &gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
> > &gt; &gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a
> > truly open
> > &gt; &gt; source project.
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you
> > will see
> > &gt; &gt; it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache
> > ecosystem
> > &gt; &gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the
> > community.
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; The project's proposal is available at [1].
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;nbsp;With best regards,
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; [1]
> > &gt; &gt;
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
> > &gt
> > <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal&gt>
> > ;



--
Clebert Suconic

---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Clebert Suconic
What are the similarities and differences from Camel? (I'm not making
an argument in any way..just trying to understand it)

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:51 AM Clebert Suconic
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> If you make it generic enough that runs on other messaging solutions
> (Kafka, Artemis, ActiveMQ, RocketMQ), you have less risk of being
> orphaned.
>
> however if it's tight coupled with RocketMQ mentioned.. it becomes
> more like a sub project of your broker than a separate project.
>
> What are the plans?
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:58 AM Sheng Wu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Eason Chen <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月6日周四 下午6:17写道:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > > We do not deny that the community is not really big and active, we share
> > > our best practices and look forward to getting more people's attention and
> > > help, at the same time can help our colleagues&nbsp;.we believe that as
> > > long as we find the right method and organization such as the apache way,
> > > the community will become stronger and stronger.&nbsp;
> > >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Thanks for the honesty, I prefer you should adjust the proposal to match
> > the reality. Such as
> > 1. Just open-sourced
> > 2. Have a risk of being an orphaned project
> > 3. Community development would be a challenge
> >
> > I hope you could understand, a project open-sourced from the company, and
> > not widely adopted, these are just the fact, don't need to hide them.
> > The incubator is welcome this kind of project, once you have enough active
> > mentors and initial committers.
> >
> > ---------
> > Personally only, not from an IPMC member perspective
> > ---------
> > The concerns I raised, are from the perspective of protecting the project,
> > a very young community will face heavy loads of joining the ASF incubator
> > directly.
> > And from my personal experiences, people(especially in China) will
> > challenge the qualification of the project. I have seen this happened
> > before.
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > In addition, I want to clarify that these codes are submitted by the
> > > entire team within our company, but I open sourced them, as you see some
> > > components are not yet open source, we are reviewing and reforming
> > > internally, and will open source soon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------&nbsp;原始邮件&nbsp;------------------
> > > 发件人:
> > >                                                   "general"
> > >                                                                     <
> > > [hidden email]&gt;;
> > > 发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月6日(星期四) 下午5:42
> > > 收件人:&nbsp;"Incubator"<[hidden email]&gt;;
> > >
> > > 主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Noticed this a little late.
> > >
> > > I have some questions about the status of the project, especially about the
> > > `Orphaned Products` and the activity of the community.
> > >
> > > With a project open-sourced since September 2019, this doesn't seem like
> > > the status you said in the proposal.
> > > 1. If the EventMesh repo is the only code repo, AFAIK, there is only one
> > > contributor who has submitted the codes over 110 lines, most are just < 50
> > > lines. https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
> > > 2. Only have 35 issues opened on the GitHub.
> > > https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/issues
> > > 3. The issues(since issue #21) since 21 days ago have no comment any all.
> > >
> > > From my understanding, this project is only limited maintained by one and
> > > only one for now.
> > >
> > > To the project community, could you respond what is the real status now?
> > > And why there is a gap between your proposal and GitHub open statistics?
> > >
> > > Personally, I have concerns about the activity and support of the
> > > community, or a little more, whether the basic community has been
> > > established.
> > > I think the incubator should notice the status, in case, it will be hard to
> > > make consensus and release soon in the incubating stage.
> > >
> > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > >
> > > Ming Wen <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月6日周四 下午5:24写道:
> > >
> > > &gt; Hi, Eason,
> > > &gt; It's an interesting project. And I have a few questions and
> > > &gt; it would be great if you could help:
> > > &gt; 1. According to github's statistics[1], most of the code was
> > > contributed by
> > > &gt; yourself.
> > > &gt; So if you're on vacation, this project will not easy to move forward.
> > > &gt; 2. An external dependency `logback` is LGPL license, which is
> > > Category X.
> > > &gt; Can this dependency be removed?
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt; [1] https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
> > > &gt <https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors&gt>;
> > > &gt; Thanks,
> > > &gt; Ming Wen, Apache APISIX &amp; Apache SkyWalking
> > > &gt; Twitter: _WenMing
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt; Eason Chen <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月4日周二 下午6:04写道:
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; Good time of the time to all!
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the
> > > discussion,
> > > &gt; &gt; comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE]
> > > of its
> > > &gt; &gt; acceptance into Incubator.
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them
> > > were behind
> > > &gt; &gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially
> > > in
> > > &gt; China)as
> > > &gt; &gt; the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the
> > > graduation.
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
> > > started
> > > &gt; &gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the
> > > community
> > > &gt; &gt; however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache
> > > ways of
> > > &gt; &gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
> > > &gt; &gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a
> > > truly open
> > > &gt; &gt; source project.
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you
> > > will see
> > > &gt; &gt; it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache
> > > ecosystem
> > > &gt; &gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the
> > > community.
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; The project's proposal is available at [1].
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;nbsp;With best regards,
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; [1]
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
> > > &gt
> > > <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal&gt>
> > > ;
>
>
>
> --
> Clebert Suconic



--
Clebert Suconic

---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

回复: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Eason Chen
Hi,
EventMesh will no longer rely strongly on RocketMQ in the future, it is only one choice of the storage layer, other MQs, redis,&nbsp; blockchain can be supported in the future plans.


EventMesh is very different from Camel i think, it positioned in event governance and mesh cloud nativeization.




------------------&nbsp;原始邮件&nbsp;------------------
发件人:                                                                                                                        "general"                                                                                    <[hidden email]&gt;;
发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月6日(星期四) 晚上11:52
收件人:&nbsp;"general"<[hidden email]&gt;;

主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal



What are the similarities and differences from Camel? (I'm not making
an argument in any way..just trying to understand it)

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:51 AM Clebert Suconic
<[hidden email]&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; If you make it generic enough that runs on other messaging solutions
&gt; (Kafka, Artemis, ActiveMQ, RocketMQ), you have less risk of being
&gt; orphaned.
&gt;
&gt; however if it's tight coupled with RocketMQ mentioned.. it becomes
&gt; more like a sub project of your broker than a separate project.
&gt;
&gt; What are the plans?
&gt;
&gt; On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:58 AM Sheng Wu <[hidden email]&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Eason Chen <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月6日周四 下午6:17写道:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; We do not deny that the community is not really big and active, we share
&gt; &gt; &gt; our best practices and look forward to getting more people's attention and
&gt; &gt; &gt; help, at the same time can help our colleagues&amp;nbsp;.we believe that as
&gt; &gt; &gt; long as we find the right method and organization such as the apache way,
&gt; &gt; &gt; the community will become stronger and stronger.&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Hi
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thanks for the honesty, I prefer you should adjust the proposal to match
&gt; &gt; the reality. Such as
&gt; &gt; 1. Just open-sourced
&gt; &gt; 2. Have a risk of being an orphaned project
&gt; &gt; 3. Community development would be a challenge
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I hope you could understand, a project open-sourced from the company, and
&gt; &gt; not widely adopted, these are just the fact, don't need to hide them.
&gt; &gt; The incubator is welcome this kind of project, once you have enough active
&gt; &gt; mentors and initial committers.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ---------
&gt; &gt; Personally only, not from an IPMC member perspective
&gt; &gt; ---------
&gt; &gt; The concerns I raised, are from the perspective of protecting the project,
&gt; &gt; a very young community will face heavy loads of joining the ASF incubator
&gt; &gt; directly.
&gt; &gt; And from my personal experiences, people(especially in China) will
&gt; &gt; challenge the qualification of the project. I have seen this happened
&gt; &gt; before.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Sheng Wu 吴晟
&gt; &gt; Twitter, wusheng1108
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; In addition, I want to clarify that these codes are submitted by the
&gt; &gt; &gt; entire team within our company, but I open sourced them, as you see some
&gt; &gt; &gt; components are not yet open source, we are reviewing and reforming
&gt; &gt; &gt; internally, and will open source soon.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; ------------------&amp;nbsp;原始邮件&amp;nbsp;------------------
&gt; &gt; &gt; 发件人:
&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "general"
&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <
&gt; &gt; &gt; [hidden email]&amp;gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; 发送时间:&amp;nbsp;2020年8月6日(星期四) 下午5:42
&gt; &gt; &gt; 收件人:&amp;nbsp;"Incubator"<[hidden email]&amp;gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; 主题:&amp;nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Noticed this a little late.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I have some questions about the status of the project, especially about the
&gt; &gt; &gt; `Orphaned Products` and the activity of the community.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; With a project open-sourced since September 2019, this doesn't seem like
&gt; &gt; &gt; the status you said in the proposal.
&gt; &gt; &gt; 1. If the EventMesh repo is the only code repo, AFAIK, there is only one
&gt; &gt; &gt; contributor who has submitted the codes over 110 lines, most are just < 50
&gt; &gt; &gt; lines. https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
&gt; &gt; &gt; 2. Only have 35 issues opened on the GitHub.
&gt; &gt; &gt; https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/issues
&gt; &gt; &gt; 3. The issues(since issue #21) since 21 days ago have no comment any all.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; From my understanding, this project is only limited maintained by one and
&gt; &gt; &gt; only one for now.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; To the project community, could you respond what is the real status now?
&gt; &gt; &gt; And why there is a gap between your proposal and GitHub open statistics?
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Personally, I have concerns about the activity and support of the
&gt; &gt; &gt; community, or a little more, whether the basic community has been
&gt; &gt; &gt; established.
&gt; &gt; &gt; I think the incubator should notice the status, in case, it will be hard to
&gt; &gt; &gt; make consensus and release soon in the incubating stage.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sheng Wu 吴晟
&gt; &gt; &gt; Twitter, wusheng1108
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Ming Wen <[hidden email]&amp;gt; 于2020年8月6日周四 下午5:24写道:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Hi, Eason,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; It's an interesting project. And I have a few questions and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; it would be great if you could help:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; 1. According to github's statistics[1], most of the code was
&gt; &gt; &gt; contributed by
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; yourself.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; So if you're on vacation, this project will not easy to move forward.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; 2. An external dependency `logback` is LGPL license, which is
&gt; &gt; &gt; Category X.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Can this dependency be removed?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; [1] https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt <https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors&amp;gt&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Thanks,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Ming Wen, Apache APISIX &amp;amp; Apache SkyWalking
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Twitter: _WenMing
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Eason Chen <[hidden email]&amp;gt; 于2020年8月4日周二 下午6:04写道:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Good time of the time to all!
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the
&gt; &gt; &gt; discussion,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE]
&gt; &gt; &gt; of its
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; acceptance into Incubator.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them
&gt; &gt; &gt; were behind
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially
&gt; &gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; China)as
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the
&gt; &gt; &gt; graduation.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
&gt; &gt; &gt; started
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the
&gt; &gt; &gt; community
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache
&gt; &gt; &gt; ways of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a
&gt; &gt; &gt; truly open
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; source project.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you
&gt; &gt; &gt; will see
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache
&gt; &gt; &gt; ecosystem
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the
&gt; &gt; &gt; community.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; The project's proposal is available at [1].
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;nbsp;With best regards,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; [1]
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt
&gt; &gt; &gt; <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal&amp;gt&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; ;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Clebert Suconic



--
Clebert Suconic

---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Duane Pauls
In reply to this post by heng du
I work for Solace and have consulted internally to confirm that we do not
have any copyright or trademark on the term “Event Mesh”. It’s true it is
something our products are closely aligned with, but it is an industry term
that has been adopted by Gartner and is gaining traction in the industry.
Solace does not oppose the term being used in other applicable products or
projects.

+1 (non-binding) on the idea.

Cheers,
Duane

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:51 AM heng du <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi @Michael
>
> Thanks for your advice. As far as I know, Solace doesn't have a product
> called Eventmesh, They're just using that name to promote their PubSub
> platform.
>
> But in order not to cause trouble in the future, I also ask guys of Apache
> Brand to help check whether this name is appropriate. For us, we've been
> using the name EventMesh for a long time, and we want to keep it so that
> users can get better product positioning from the name.
>
> And base on this document[1], we searched in the U.S. Patent Office[2] and
> found nothing inappropriate.
>
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
> [2] https://www.uspto.gov/trademark
>
> Thanks
> Henry
>
> Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月6日周四
> 下午3:33写道:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Im PMC member from ActiveMQ project.
>> I like the idea, nice. +1 on it as a project idea.
>>
>> I am though a little -1 on the name of the project, I would recommend
>> that an alternative name for the project is found as there maybe a conflict
>> in rights ability to copyright and trademark to it.
>>
>> I’m aware there is a commercial vendor messaging company called Solace,
>> where they use and market their product with heavy use of the name Event
>> Mesh, you can see this just googling event mesh, brings back many hits to
>> their products, marketing material and other records, so they may hold a
>> heavy claim to this name.
>>
>> Best
>> Michael
>>
>> > On 4 Aug 2020, at 18:33, Kevin Ratnasekera <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Easen,
>> >
>> > +1, Having worked in a similar domain so far, I have to say this is an
>> > interesting project. If you are seeking new mentors, please consider
>> adding
>> > me as a mentor to the project.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Kevin
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:34 PM Eason Chen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good time of the time to all!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
>> >> comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
>> >> acceptance into Incubator.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were
>> behind
>> >> the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in
>> China)as
>> >> the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the
>> graduation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
>> started
>> >> in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
>> >> however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways
>> of
>> >> doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
>> >> tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open
>> >> source project.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will
>> see
>> >> it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache
>> ecosystem
>> >> and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The project's proposal is available at [1].
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> &nbsp;With best regards,
>> >>
>> >> &nbsp;Eason Chen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [1]
>> >>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
>> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
>>
>>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

回复: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Eason Chen
Hi,
I want to modify the description of the proposal to make it more accurate, please help me add permissions,thanks


Here are the details of my account:
Usernamechenguangsheng
[hidden email]
Full NameChen Guangsheng






------------------&nbsp;原始邮件&nbsp;------------------
发件人:                                                                                                                        "general"                                                                                    <[hidden email]&gt;;
发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月11日(星期二) 凌晨0:16
收件人:&nbsp;"legal-discuss"<[hidden email]&gt;;
抄送:&nbsp;"general"<[hidden email]&gt;;
主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal



I work for Solace and have consulted internally to confirm that we do not
have any copyright or trademark on the term “Event Mesh”. It’s true it is
something our products are closely aligned with, but it is an industry term
that has been adopted by Gartner and is gaining traction in the industry.
Solace does not oppose the term being used in other applicable products or
projects.

+1 (non-binding) on the idea.

Cheers,
Duane

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:51 AM heng du <[hidden email]&gt; wrote:

&gt; Hi @Michael
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for your advice. As far as I know, Solace doesn't have a product
&gt; called Eventmesh, They're just using that name to promote their PubSub
&gt; platform.
&gt;
&gt; But in order not to cause trouble in the future, I also ask guys of Apache
&gt; Brand to help check whether this name is appropriate. For us, we've been
&gt; using the name EventMesh for a long time, and we want to keep it so that
&gt; users can get better product positioning from the name.
&gt;
&gt; And base on this document[1], we searched in the U.S. Patent Office[2] and
&gt; found nothing inappropriate.
&gt;
&gt; [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
&gt; [2] https://www.uspto.gov/trademark
&gt;
&gt; Thanks
&gt; Henry
&gt;
&gt; Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月6日周四
&gt; 下午3:33写道:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Hi
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Im PMC member from ActiveMQ project.
&gt;&gt; I like the idea, nice. +1 on it as a project idea.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I am though a little -1 on the name of the project, I would recommend
&gt;&gt; that an alternative name for the project is found as there maybe a conflict
&gt;&gt; in rights ability to copyright and trademark to it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I’m aware there is a commercial vendor messaging company called Solace,
&gt;&gt; where they use and market their product with heavy use of the name Event
&gt;&gt; Mesh, you can see this just googling event mesh, brings back many hits to
&gt;&gt; their products, marketing material and other records, so they may hold a
&gt;&gt; heavy claim to this name.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Best
&gt;&gt; Michael
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; On 4 Aug 2020, at 18:33, Kevin Ratnasekera <[hidden email]&gt;
&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi Easen,
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; +1, Having worked in a similar domain so far, I have to say this is an
&gt;&gt; &gt; interesting project. If you are seeking new mentors, please consider
&gt;&gt; adding
&gt;&gt; &gt; me as a mentor to the project.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Regards
&gt;&gt; &gt; Kevin
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:34 PM Eason Chen <[hidden email]&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Good time of the time to all!
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; acceptance into Incubator.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were
&gt;&gt; behind
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in
&gt;&gt; China)as
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the
&gt;&gt; graduation.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
&gt;&gt; started
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways
&gt;&gt; of
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; source project.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will
&gt;&gt; see
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache
&gt;&gt; ecosystem
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The project's proposal is available at [1].
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &amp;nbsp;With best regards,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; [1]
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; ---------------------------------------------------------------------
&gt;&gt; To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
&gt;&gt; For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

回复: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Eason Chen
In reply to this post by Duane Pauls
Thanks for your help and answers @Duane, i will initiate the voting processs later if you have no other questions.




------------------&nbsp;原始邮件&nbsp;------------------
发件人:                                                                                                                        "general"                                                                                    <[hidden email]&gt;;
发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月11日(星期二) 凌晨0:16
收件人:&nbsp;"legal-discuss"<[hidden email]&gt;;
抄送:&nbsp;"general"<[hidden email]&gt;;
主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal



I work for Solace and have consulted internally to confirm that we do not
have any copyright or trademark on the term “Event Mesh”. It’s true it is
something our products are closely aligned with, but it is an industry term
that has been adopted by Gartner and is gaining traction in the industry.
Solace does not oppose the term being used in other applicable products or
projects.

+1 (non-binding) on the idea.

Cheers,
Duane

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:51 AM heng du <[hidden email]&gt; wrote:

&gt; Hi @Michael
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for your advice. As far as I know, Solace doesn't have a product
&gt; called Eventmesh, They're just using that name to promote their PubSub
&gt; platform.
&gt;
&gt; But in order not to cause trouble in the future, I also ask guys of Apache
&gt; Brand to help check whether this name is appropriate. For us, we've been
&gt; using the name EventMesh for a long time, and we want to keep it so that
&gt; users can get better product positioning from the name.
&gt;
&gt; And base on this document[1], we searched in the U.S. Patent Office[2] and
&gt; found nothing inappropriate.
&gt;
&gt; [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
&gt; [2] https://www.uspto.gov/trademark
&gt;
&gt; Thanks
&gt; Henry
&gt;
&gt; Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]&gt; 于2020年8月6日周四
&gt; 下午3:33写道:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Hi
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Im PMC member from ActiveMQ project.
&gt;&gt; I like the idea, nice. +1 on it as a project idea.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I am though a little -1 on the name of the project, I would recommend
&gt;&gt; that an alternative name for the project is found as there maybe a conflict
&gt;&gt; in rights ability to copyright and trademark to it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I’m aware there is a commercial vendor messaging company called Solace,
&gt;&gt; where they use and market their product with heavy use of the name Event
&gt;&gt; Mesh, you can see this just googling event mesh, brings back many hits to
&gt;&gt; their products, marketing material and other records, so they may hold a
&gt;&gt; heavy claim to this name.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Best
&gt;&gt; Michael
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; On 4 Aug 2020, at 18:33, Kevin Ratnasekera <[hidden email]&gt;
&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi Easen,
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; +1, Having worked in a similar domain so far, I have to say this is an
&gt;&gt; &gt; interesting project. If you are seeking new mentors, please consider
&gt;&gt; adding
&gt;&gt; &gt; me as a mentor to the project.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Regards
&gt;&gt; &gt; Kevin
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:34 PM Eason Chen <[hidden email]&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Good time of the time to all!
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; acceptance into Incubator.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were
&gt;&gt; behind
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in
&gt;&gt; China)as
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the
&gt;&gt; graduation.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
&gt;&gt; started
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways
&gt;&gt; of
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; source project.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will
&gt;&gt; see
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache
&gt;&gt; ecosystem
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The project's proposal is available at [1].
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &amp;nbsp;With best regards,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; [1]
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; ---------------------------------------------------------------------
&gt;&gt; To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
&gt;&gt; For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

Ming Wen-2
> Thanks for the honesty, I prefer you should adjust the proposal to match
> the reality. Such as
> 1. Just open-sourced
> 2. Have a risk of being an orphaned project
> 3. Community development would be a challenge

As mentioned in wusheng’s previous email, the challenge should be stated in
the proposal.

Thanks,
Ming Wen, Apache APISIX & Apache SkyWalking
Twitter: _WenMing


Eason Chen <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月14日周五 上午10:52写道:

> Thanks for your help and answers @Duane, i will initiate the voting
> processs later if you have no other questions.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------&nbsp;原始邮件&nbsp;------------------
> 发件人:
>                                                   "general"
>                                                                     <
> [hidden email]&gt;;
> 发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月11日(星期二) 凌晨0:16
> 收件人:&nbsp;"legal-discuss"<[hidden email]&gt;;
> 抄送:&nbsp;"general"<[hidden email]&gt;;
> 主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
>
>
>
> I work for Solace and have consulted internally to confirm that we do not
> have any copyright or trademark on the term “Event Mesh”. It’s true it is
> something our products are closely aligned with, but it is an industry term
> that has been adopted by Gartner and is gaining traction in the industry.
> Solace does not oppose the term being used in other applicable products or
> projects.
>
> +1 (non-binding) on the idea.
>
> Cheers,
> Duane
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:51 AM heng du <[hidden email]&gt;
> wrote:
>
> &gt; Hi @Michael
> &gt;
> &gt; Thanks for your advice. As far as I know, Solace doesn't have a
> product
> &gt; called Eventmesh, They're just using that name to promote their PubSub
> &gt; platform.
> &gt;
> &gt; But in order not to cause trouble in the future, I also ask guys of
> Apache
> &gt; Brand to help check whether this name is appropriate. For us, we've
> been
> &gt; using the name EventMesh for a long time, and we want to keep it so
> that
> &gt; users can get better product positioning from the name.
> &gt;
> &gt; And base on this document[1], we searched in the U.S. Patent
> Office[2] and
> &gt; found nothing inappropriate.
> &gt;
> &gt; [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
> &gt; [2] https://www.uspto.gov/trademark
> &gt;
> &gt; Thanks
> &gt; Henry
> &gt;
> &gt; Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]&gt;
> 于2020年8月6日周四
> &gt; 下午3:33写道:
> &gt;
> &gt;&gt; Hi
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Im PMC member from ActiveMQ project.
> &gt;&gt; I like the idea, nice. +1 on it as a project idea.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; I am though a little -1 on the name of the project, I would
> recommend
> &gt;&gt; that an alternative name for the project is found as there maybe
> a conflict
> &gt;&gt; in rights ability to copyright and trademark to it.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; I’m aware there is a commercial vendor messaging company called
> Solace,
> &gt;&gt; where they use and market their product with heavy use of the
> name Event
> &gt;&gt; Mesh, you can see this just googling event mesh, brings back many
> hits to
> &gt;&gt; their products, marketing material and other records, so they may
> hold a
> &gt;&gt; heavy claim to this name.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Best
> &gt;&gt; Michael
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; On 4 Aug 2020, at 18:33, Kevin Ratnasekera <
> [hidden email]&gt;
> &gt;&gt; wrote:
> &gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; Hi Easen,
> &gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; +1, Having worked in a similar domain so far, I have to say
> this is an
> &gt;&gt; &gt; interesting project. If you are seeking new mentors, please
> consider
> &gt;&gt; adding
> &gt;&gt; &gt; me as a mentor to the project.
> &gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; Regards
> &gt;&gt; &gt; Kevin
> &gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:34 PM Eason Chen <
> [hidden email]&gt; wrote:
> &gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Good time of the time to all!
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the
> discussion,
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal
> [VOTE] of its
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; acceptance into Incubator.
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of
> them were
> &gt;&gt; behind
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge
> success(especially in
> &gt;&gt; China)as
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after
> the
> &gt;&gt; graduation.
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I have been involved a little bit with this project when
> it just
> &gt;&gt; started
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize
> that the community
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; however small it might look so far, has been aligned
> with Apache ways
> &gt;&gt; of
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very
> instrumental in
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to
> be a truly open
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; source project.
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly
> available. As you will
> &gt;&gt; see
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of
> Apache
> &gt;&gt; ecosystem
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the
> community.
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The project's proposal is available at [1].
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to
> provide!
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &amp;nbsp;With best regards,
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; [1]
> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
> &gt;&gt
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal&gt;&gt>
> ;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> &gt;&gt; To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
> &gt;&gt; For additional commands, e-mail:
> [hidden email]
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal

heng du
In reply to this post by Duane Pauls
Thanks for @Duane's reply.

Duane Pauls <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月11日周二 上午12:25写道:

> I work for Solace and have consulted internally to confirm that we do not
> have any copyright or trademark on the term “Event Mesh”. It’s true it is
> something our products are closely aligned with, but it is an industry term
> that has been adopted by Gartner and is gaining traction in the industry.
> Solace does not oppose the term being used in other applicable products or
> projects.
>
> +1 (non-binding) on the idea.
>
> Cheers,
> Duane
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:51 AM heng du <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi @Michael
> >
> > Thanks for your advice. As far as I know, Solace doesn't have a product
> > called Eventmesh, They're just using that name to promote their PubSub
> > platform.
> >
> > But in order not to cause trouble in the future, I also ask guys of
> Apache
> > Brand to help check whether this name is appropriate. For us, we've been
> > using the name EventMesh for a long time, and we want to keep it so that
> > users can get better product positioning from the name.
> >
> > And base on this document[1], we searched in the U.S. Patent Office[2]
> and
> > found nothing inappropriate.
> >
> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
> > [2] https://www.uspto.gov/trademark
> >
> > Thanks
> > Henry
> >
> > Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]> 于2020年8月6日周四
> > 下午3:33写道:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Im PMC member from ActiveMQ project.
> >> I like the idea, nice. +1 on it as a project idea.
> >>
> >> I am though a little -1 on the name of the project, I would recommend
> >> that an alternative name for the project is found as there maybe a
> conflict
> >> in rights ability to copyright and trademark to it.
> >>
> >> I’m aware there is a commercial vendor messaging company called Solace,
> >> where they use and market their product with heavy use of the name Event
> >> Mesh, you can see this just googling event mesh, brings back many hits
> to
> >> their products, marketing material and other records, so they may hold a
> >> heavy claim to this name.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> > On 4 Aug 2020, at 18:33, Kevin Ratnasekera <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Easen,
> >> >
> >> > +1, Having worked in a similar domain so far, I have to say this is an
> >> > interesting project. If you are seeking new mentors, please consider
> >> adding
> >> > me as a mentor to the project.
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Kevin
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:34 PM Eason Chen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Good time of the time to all!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
> >> >> comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
> >> >> acceptance into Incubator.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were
> >> behind
> >> >> the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in
> >> China)as
> >> >> the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after the
> >> graduation.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
> >> started
> >> >> in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the
> community
> >> >> however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways
> >> of
> >> >> doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental in
> >> >> tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly
> open
> >> >> source project.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will
> >> see
> >> >> it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache
> >> ecosystem
> >> >> and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The project's proposal is available at [1].
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> &nbsp;With best regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> &nbsp;Eason Chen
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> [1]
> >> >>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
> >>
> >>
>